Katie Rempe: Jim, have you ever considered the similarities of casting on a new project and casting a spell?
James Divine: Oh, wow, that's interesting. Yeah, casting on is kind of fun, I remember learning that. And casting a spell! They're so similar. I have a lot of correspondences immediately in my head!
Katie Rempe: They both come at the beginning, before you do the work.
But there's still work to do before you do the casting on of the thing or the casting.
James Divine: We cast a circle. So that's kind of the casting on. You don't have to create a magical circle to do spell work or to do magic. But if you do, one of the things is cast a circle. And I think about that being the magical perimeter.
And I think about the cast on is like the perimeter of your work.
Katie Rempe: Yes, I think that is very valid. Join us in this week's episode as we dive into this very topic. Whoo. So cool.
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What Does Cast Mean?
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Katie Rempe: How do you prepare to cast? Like a spell or a project, and let's just talk about that word a little bit to begin with, cast.
James Divine: Yeah. What does it mean to cast? One of the definitions is to toss or to throw and there's a implication of the thing will be moving away from you. If I have a stone and I cast it into the pond, I am taking that stone and I'm throwing it into the drink, right?
There is this sort of implication of, letting the piece go, or letting the work go. That's hugely important in magic. If you have a lust for results, if you hold too tightly on to what you want, It's really tough to make that happen. Have to have a little bit of release, a little bit of let go in order for it to actually work.
So that word cast is fascinating to me. And I think about that with knitting, right? Yeah. I never thought about that. Why isn't it bind on and cast off?
Katie Rempe: Yeah, great point. And I never even considered that. Yes. You cast it on and then you're slowly knitting it away from you. I never thought about that.
James Divine: So there's something super magical about that term to me. From an outside perspective, you never really think about it when you're a knitter.
When we cast a circle, so we're going to compare it. circle casting is a way to delineate magical space saying that within this circle or within this space I'm going to be doing magical work. It's a way to fill that space with your intention to protect the space To ward against what you don't want and to fill that space with a bubble of what you want to have happen. And so you're just pushing all of the spiritual dust bunnies out and you're just clearing the space and really people used to do it with brooms and because they would sweep their floors, right?
And literally sweep the dust out or the dirt out, so there is a magical act with that. But this is creating that clearing and making the magical space. For your intention.
I think about how that basically is similar for the knitting as well. It's a quick portion of the project, but it is Same.
Katie Rempe: It's essential to do well because that quite often is one of the parts that people can see like it's an edging. So if it's sloppy or if it's too tight or if it's too loose, like that can have a really big impact. So it could be worth your while if it's not done to your liking initially to just go back and redo it.
Otherwise you're already putting feeling into your project where you're like, I already know there's something wrong with it. Now I don't want to do it anymore. Now maybe I'll never finish it.
Cast Quality
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James Divine: Yeah, no kidding. I think that's a really interesting, like the quality of your cast.
Katie Rempe: Oh, you better check your quality of your cast.
James Divine: Yeah, check your cast before you wreck your ass.
Katie Rempe: How do we go about doing that? What are some ways to cast with care or with good energy?
James Divine: When we cast a magic circle, there is this sense of really feeling the energy coming through you. And then as you trace a circle or trace something into the air around you in some way, whether you're laying down a cord, whether you're stacking rocks around you, whether you're doing salt or water or whatever the thing is that you're doing to create a magical space, that you are really watching, and imagining the energy just blowing up and creating this bubble.
And so that is a lot of the visualization that one does. And when the magical circle is constructed, oh, you really can feel it. So some people will do a warding circle first to say, we sweep out anything that we don't like. And then they'll cast a circle to delineate it and to protect it. So there's different ways to do that And different traditions do it.
There could even just be you and saying okay. I'm at my bedroom This is my top of my dresser This is my altar and behind me my beds not made and there's laundry on the floor and all that. So You know, doing a little 10 minute tidy and then saying this is magical space, light a little incense or spray a little room spray or whatever.
This is magical space and just push the energy into a bubble around you and around your altar. That's a simple way to do it too.
Katie Rempe: That's a great way to do the same thing, even if you're knitting. It could just be the chair that you're choosing to craft at. But, within that space, you have your circle, your bubble of protection around you.
And within that space, the only thing that matters is whatever intention is you're knitting into your project or, The energy you want to have while you're knitting, whether or not it's intended to go into it or not. You just want to like, enjoy the knitting.
Ball Your Skeins!
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James Divine: Yeah. How many knitters have delayed or have said, Oh, I can knit off the skein.
I don't need to ball the yarn. And it can just sit in my bag and, pick up all of the Notions and whatever get tangled up in it as I'm knitting. I know you're cringing, but you only
Katie Rempe: do that once!
James Divine: I happen to know knitters and crocheters that are in my life who might you're off
Katie Rempe: of the skein without rolling it into a ball
James Divine: I know Oh
Katie Rempe: wow, they're really flying from the hip, knitting from the hip, knitting from the skein, that's crazy. So bold.
James Divine: Now we're going to have listeners who are like I'm offended. I do that. I knit. If you knit from the skein, you know what you eventually have to do.
You're running out of space. Which is, you gotta ball that up.
Katie Rempe: Before it balls itself up.
James Divine: Before you're just knitting a knot.
Katie Rempe: Much harder to knit through a knot if you're not intending to knit your own knots. And
James Divine: they get those great big sort of knots and they flop over with the rest of the yarn.
Oh yeah,
Katie Rempe: it's a real Christmas light situation and it does not make it conducive for wanting to knit. Yes, knots are great to use to block things.
James Divine: Yeah, so if you're balling your yarn by hand or with a machine, that can be magical. What would it be like to ball your yarn in a magical way? That's the preparation, for the casting and for getting ready to cast.
So that's some of the things that people can do.
Prepping To Cast
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Katie Rempe: That's a good point. Let's talk about how the casting it doesn't just start there quite often. We have to do a little bit of preparation before that, which at least for knitting gather the materials, it's a lot harder for me to just be like, Hey, right now I'm going to go knit a sweater.
I hope I have some stuff. I probably do have enough stuff because I have a ridiculous amount of things, but for most normal people, they might want to be like, Oh, I have a particular pattern for a particular person that I have in mind, or because of my skills or desires to knit.
James Divine: And that's the same. If you're going to do a spell, and I've done this with you when we did that candle magic episode way in the beginning with Katie learns magic, We had all the supplies laid out already. So the first thing we did was gather the supplies. Yep. Then we had breathing and focus on our intention and create a magical space.
Then we crafted. And then to cast the spell, to actually do it, we might do that again, and then actually light the candles. I think about how do you keep the energy flowing through either your knitting project, or through, your magical project is, have all this stuff ready.
instead of having to stop in the middle and be like, where the hell is this thing? That'll really interrupt the flow, right?
Katie Rempe: Set yourself up for success. It's like cooking and having all the ingredients chopped up and ready and pre measured out, or at least pulled out of the pantry so that you're not just constantly running around. Cause it's very easy to lose. momentum on things, even things we want to do and like doing.
Tools for Casting
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Katie Rempe: And what kind of tools do you use? To help you cast?
James Divine: It depends what I'm doing. I love candle magic, so if I'm going to do like a candle spell, then I'm going to gather all the things I need for that. A plate to put the candles on herbs and oils in order to dress the candle intention paper to put underneath the candle plate a lighter.
I'm going to make sure my altar is ready for what I'm doing.
Am I doing something for love and I have a statue of Aphrodite or am I doing something for Success and prosperity.
I might choose Hermes. Whatever the thing is. So these are some of the tools based on what I might do. If I'm going to be doing pouches with herbs, for instance, I want to make sure that I have the pouch and the cord and the herbs and everything ready.
If we're gonna create sigils, I want to make sure I have the paper and the markers. Doesn't it sound just like setting up for a knitting project?
Katie Rempe: Yeah, The key to success here is just preparing ahead of time so that when you do get to the starting portion, you can just enjoy the process and really get to work, which is really the whole point, I think.
Raising Energy
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James Divine: The thing that I think we don't really talk about that much is this idea of raising energy.
So one of the things that I suggest people do and that we do as a group in our coven is when we do a working of some kind, we raise energy to activate that spell.
So once I've created the candle spell or once I've made the sigil. Maybe that said or that piece has an intent around healing right or love or success or whatever it is.
There's a way to then raise energy and put energy into it. Light the match and get it going. There's many ways to do that. One can chant up into a crescendo higher and higher energy. Can dance again up and up. And then when you're at a peak before you get too tired when you've peaked in your dancing, you can then.
All fall down. It's like that, fun
Katie Rempe: nursery rhyme or whatever. Yeah, that's right.
James Divine: And you just then put that energy into your piece, right? People can do that with any physical activity, including sex also can be very powerful. So there's all kinds of ways to energize something with that sort of raising of energy and then putting the energy into your piece.
I think that's something that isn't necessarily. done with knitting that could be fun to do during the blocking phase.
I guess.
Katie Rempe: I can think of certain aspects, perhaps, when people are raising energy for knitting. Maybe not entirely aware of it, but groups that are doing prayer shawls or squares or things like that, so that sort of almost coven esque aspect where they're praying into a thing.
prayer shawls, also chemo caps, and, of course, Activism. The pussy hats and anytime we're knitting for a cause that also becomes a time where we are raising the energy and putting it into a thing.
So yeah, the
James Divine: women's March when everyone was making, pussy hats, there was a collective energy to tap into for that. You could feel it . Everyone is making these pink hats and there's instructions on the internet on how to do it.
Even easy ones, right? Whether you're knitting or whether you're just folding fabric There was such a shared and you can tap into that and as you put that hat on in response to the grabber by the Comment yeah, we owned it We took it on we owned it we marched and we was in solidarity with everybody. That's a great example of a shared energy.
That was palpable and electric. And so what you can do with that, when you're making a prayer shawl, when you're making hats with a group, anytime you're in your stitch and bitch group, this is a time for you to tap into the shared energy, we already are, but the shared energy of everyone working on something, and then you imagine that flowing through your hands, through your needles, into the piece, and see the piece vibrating with that energy.
Katie Rempe: Yeah. It's really cool.
Releasing Energy
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James Divine: And then releasing the energy into the work is important. So how do you get, you can raise energy by doing something, but then how do you get the energy into the actual work is really, again, through imagination, through imagining that energy flowing in. And then you need to visualize letting it go.
And so part of what is really magical about spell work, about casting magic. Is the level to which you're willing to let something go and let the magic work.
I'm curious about casting on.
like knitting. I know how to cast on. Are you telling me that there's multiple ways to do it?
Katie Rempe: Oh, this might come as a surprise, but yes, there are so many cast on methods and Reasons that you would use them all so I thought it would be fun for our upcoming second half if we chatted about a bunch of them and then came up with some correspondences that could match.
Oh, I
love
James Divine: that. Okay, let's take a break. And when we come back, let's do that. Awesome.
Katie Rempe: We'll be right back.
Break
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James Divine: And to be able to also look at your own hand and transform and reframe your perceived character defects or your self critical analysis and look at that as a tool that's super useful and can be very positive for you, I think that's an amazing thing to do.
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Your approach of the Divine Hand Method is so positive. I would recommend it to anyone who's interested in palmistry to any degree. And where can they go to find out more? You, listener, can learn the Divine Hand Palmistry Method at your own pace with my brand new palmistry course. Go to introtopalmistry.
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Cast On Correspondances
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Katie Rempe: All right, Jim Are you ready to go over some of these cast ons and then chat about them in terms of correspondences ness? I'm ready. That's a word.
James Divine: I'm ready to do the correspondences ness.
Katie Rempe: Perfect. Okay, so I have them listed here for us to review and I'm actually going to go out of order a little bit. Okay keep you on your toes.
Knitted Cast On
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Katie Rempe: Yes. first off, I want to chat about the knitted cast on, because in my personal opinion, I believe that's the best cast on to teach people because You're learning how to do the cast on, which is putting the stitches on. But essentially this particular cast on is basically a knit stitch that you're doing with just the one needle.
James Divine: Is that what you taught me?
Katie Rempe: Yes, so that helps you learn how to do the knit stitch, which then is, usually the next step. So cast on, knit stitch.
James Divine: What are some of the feelings with and what do you usually do with the knitted cast on?
Katie Rempe: The knitted cast on is really nice for, new knitters and it's relatively stretchy. So it's pretty good for anyone, any kind of a project. It's a good go to.
James Divine: I see. So does it create a border?
Katie Rempe: Not like any sort of special looking border, it's real simple, real basic.
James Divine: If you're going to knit a swatch, you're just going to Knit cast on.
Katie Rempe: Yep. Very good to do that one. I also like it because you don't have to guess at how long of a tail to leave when you're casting on.
So in some cast on methods, you have to estimate a length of yarn to put all the stitches on and if you estimate it wrong. You could end up having to pull it all out and do it all again. That's why I like this particular method, because that is not an issue because of the way you consume the yarn to put the stitches on.
James Divine: So what are some magical correspondence we could associate with the knitted cast on?
Katie Rempe: I feel like grounding is a really good one for this. Like it's the basic Cast on that I would teach people so this is a good like foundation grounding situation.
James Divine: Yeah, so it's foundational. It's grounding. I think there's also the idea of simplicity. Yep. Ease. Yeah, if you wanted to bring ease into, yeah, that's good. Is it faster or slower than other methods?
Katie Rempe: It's probably one of the faster ones, Because some of these on this list, Are definitely slower.
James Divine: So that would be good if you wanted to do something that is an expedited like you want this to be fast.
Sometimes the timing is important.
The magical correspondence would be faster speed of the spell happening.
Yep. So you would say an expedited. So faster speed of the spell.
Katie Rempe: I like that.
James Divine: Those are great correspondences with the knitted cast on. What's another one?
Cable Cast On
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Katie Rempe: The next one we're going to do is the cable cast on.
James Divine: Ooh, tell me about that. What's a cable cast on?
Katie Rempe: It's very similar to the knitted cast on, except instead of basically knitting the stitches onto the needle, you are going in between the stitches to create a stitch to go on the needle. And it makes a more substantial and tidier edge than the knitted cast on, so it's easier to have a really good looking secured foundation.
But what I think is really cool and could be part of the correspondent is how you go in between the stitches. To bring up a new stitch as opposed to the other one, which is just duplicating it. This one, you're like sneaking in. So
James Divine: that in between the stitches, what would you correspond that with magically?
Katie Rempe: Maybe this would be more of like a security thing. Like you're going to feel like a hug because you're sort like hugging around the stitches to make another one. What do you think?
James Divine: Could we use this for magic that is, protective or creates a more secure boundary or is warding in some way?
Katie Rempe: Yes. I think that's a good one. More security.
James Divine: So if I wanted to create boundaries. around something.
Maybe this is the one that I could use.
Katie Rempe: Yeah. The boundary maker, the cable cast on.
James Divine: I love that. Okay. I like it. Cool. Now which one?
Long Tail Cast On
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Katie Rempe: Okay. Next we're going to do the long tail cast on. Okay. This is the number one cast on for all projects. Typically, if it doesn't say to do anything in particular, this is the one that you do.
Now, this is not the quickest way to cast on stitches, but it's also not the slowest way. So I would say it's a mid. It's also mid in terms of complicatedness. So while I always aim to teach newbies this particular cast on method, it can be a little bit overwhelming because you have to use two fingers on one hand and it's like a weaving situation to get it in there.
And by doing this process to get the stitches on in this way, you're actually knitting the first foundational row. So you're putting on the stitches and knitting the first row. This is really about building foundations. It's like having universal blood.
So if you don't know what to use, this is the one to use. It's like the general catch all of energy. Almost a jumpstart. it feels like it's going slow, but then you realize you're already one row in
James Divine: The time you put in is not wasted because you have that second row already done.
Yeah, so magical correspondences I think medium speed Building foundations an all purpose like that's a really good thing like white candles or can be very all purpose candles.
Katie Rempe: Think because the way you put it on, you have to do this like bobbing and weaving to get it in there.
Like this is another one where if you're doing things maybe that are a little more complicated or you're trying to put. Two things together. This could be a good one because you're like going from your thumb, which could be your action around the thing and then your finger, which is the way you're going to do it your way.
You're leading through it as we know from you. Thankfully. And so that could really be part of it is like your action and your leadership in terms of what you plan to create with this project. Since those are the fingers that are really involved.
James Divine: That's what I like. I really like that with the fingers So action and leadership and because you're also saying getting a jumpstart.
Yep. There we go. I love that So let's have the longtail cast on can be around, doing the work that leads to the action and leadership. There we go. Oh, that's awesome.
icord Cast On
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Katie Rempe: The next one we're going to do the I cord so we were just talking about cords in our last episode. The I cord, as I was saying before, is like three stitches that you knit in the round. It's really annoying and it makes this long cord. However, you can also do it as a cast on. It's a way of basically casting on the stitches while creating the I cord.
This is a long one. This takes a long time. It's not necessarily easy to get it. really even, but it is beautiful when it's done and it creates this really amazing finished edge. It looks like piping.
And so it's great. Like I've made cowls before where there's I cord. Cast on each edge, and the bind off and so it just looks super finished just like it's a tube within a tube.
James Divine: Yeah, what would you correspond that with magically?
Katie Rempe: This one could be like, a strong, handsome finish. It's got like a masculine energy to it somehow. It's protective, It's secure.
James Divine: So I'm saying it takes time. So there's skill. So what about these words, skill, strong, handsome, finish, masculine, beauty, protective, secure. Love it. That's cool.
Picot Cast On
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Katie Rempe: And then on the other side of the spectrum sort of is the picot cast on,
James Divine: P I C O T. Yes. Is that how that's spelled?
It's not Picot. I
Katie Rempe: guess it could be Picot if you want it to be. Is it French? Oui. It's French. The Pico edge is bobbles at the end. So this is another one that takes time to make because you're making it with these like little bubbles at the end.
Actually, I might have an example right here. Hold on.
I do indeed. You can do this in a bind off or a cast on in this particular instance. And it makes These little points at the end.
James Divine: Wait, you have to hold it still. Oh, that's so beautiful! Here we go. Ta da!
Katie Rempe: Yeah! So they're like, just almost like little embellishments. But this is another one that takes a long time because each stitch you have to build up as you're casting it on.
This is another slow process. However, each one could be used for meditation, it's also fun, because it's frilly. Because of that, I find it to be a little bit more feminine. But again, you do you. I just feel like it's whimsical. There are little wishes in there, much like I used to think of
bobbles.
I
James Divine: can see this being decorative, beautiful, frilly, feminine, beauty, whimsical can bring in those energies. Do you use the Pico edge?
Katie Rempe: I have the Bind Off on my Ship to Shore shawl, but it's not a cast on.
Oh. But you can do it
James Divine: as a cast on. So
Katie Rempe: Got it. I love picots. picots are just like so much fun. I use them all the time. Last,
But not least, and honestly, there's a ton more, we can always do a part two at some point. Yeah.
Provisional Cast On
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Katie Rempe: The last one is the provisional cast on, and this one is a lot of fun, Jim. You know why? You don't know why.
I'm going to tell you why. Why? Because. It is a cast on that is intended to be removed for reasons. I use a method that applies the stitches with a crochet hook because I think it's easier. So you actually use a crochet hook to put the stitches onto a knitting needle. It's like you're going around it to secure them.
James Divine: Like you're slip knotting. Yes,
Katie Rempe: you're like chaining on stitches onto the needle. And so it's great because let's say you are doing a project that's going to be a tube, but you want to knit it in this direction from side to side long ways instead of going in a tube up. What you do at that point is you start with the provisional cast on, you knit the whole thing, and instead of binding off.
You take out that cast on edge and then you have live stitches on both sides and you can seam them seamlessly together at that point. So you knit them together. Yep, exactly.
James Divine: And then really it's the edges on either side of the strip of fabric that you made that is Really the what would have been the bind off or whatever, but it's really just your edge,
Katie Rempe: right?
Or some people aren't sure of the length of something and so they'll put a provisional cast on at the hem of Sweater when they're making it and then if they're like, oh Nope, this is not long enough. They can just pick up the stitches and then knit down that way for a while.
And there's all sorts of reasons why you might want to do that. You can use provisional casting on just to make live stitches to then knit like pockets into things and all sorts of fun stuff. The power of the provisional cast on, which is like a redo, like remove and keep going like a roadblock.
I'm putting this in here to remove later on purpose. This is just a space holder .
James Divine: Yeah, so I see the magical intention around flexibility. It seems like it also has creativity. To it because there's so much you can do with it. You said fun. But that's because it's what's fun about it is. Oh, you can do so much. So it's also utilitarian or useful. Totally. Yes.
Flexibility, creativity, usefulness. What would be some other words that really capture its essence, its magical essence? Transitory?
Katie Rempe: Yes. Yeah, I was going to say liminal.
James Divine: I love liminal.
Katie Rempe: It could also be good for border removal because you're taking out that first step.
James Divine: So removing blocks and boundaries. Cool. There you go. I love this.
Reference Guide
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James Divine: Wouldn't it be cool to have a reference guide for this.
Katie Rempe: Oh my gosh. You're totally right. In fact, I have one that you listeners can download and you can do so by finding the link right in the description of whatever you're listening to or watching us on YouTube, however, you might be consuming this particular episode so that you too can know some of the correspondences that we discovered today so that you too can apply them and add your own as you discover what you also like to apply for each of these cast ons.
And we'd like to know, so let us know. Comment or email us, knitaspellpodcast at gmail. com. We'd love to hear from you.
James Divine: And if you can't find the link, just go to patreon.com/Knitaspell
Katie Rempe: l. Find it all there.
James Divine: So what are your takeaways Katie from this episode I think we were both learning together.
Katie Rempe: Oh yeah, I had only really laid out the foundations of which cast ons we were going to talk about and having some. Basic ideas about what might be magically inclined towards that. So to have some live on the air banter and brainstorming that's been my favorite part.
How about you?
James Divine: The realization I had through doing this episode with you was that idea of casting implies release. Yes, like when we start something we have this idea that we will release it in some way and I had never really thought about that before this episode and I'm glad that knitting helped me learn a little bit more about magic.
I just think it's amazing.
Katie Rempe: Just like this episode, which will be casting out. Soon, now that we're almost done recording it.
James Divine: It's called podcasting, not podbinding.
Katie Rempe: Oh, good point, Jim. It's like we planned that and we didn't. He's just so freaking smart.
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James Divine: Diana Rajchel's so cool. Stay tuned for next week and as always, thanks for listening to our podcast.
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